Tomb of Jesus… maybe?

So is it a Jewish conspiracy to trash the One True Faith (TM) or is it a statistical goof being flogged to the world for the sake of publicity?

About 1980 a bunch of archaeologists stumbled across a tomb with a bunch of old bone boxes, all with names familiar to anyone who read the New Testament – a Mary, a Joseph, and Matthew, etc etc. The find has kind of mouldered, waiting for some serious research. In recent years several have re-examined the find, and now Guerilla archaeologist Simcha Jacobovici and James Cameron ( of Terminator fame etc) have gone even further to confirm the remains are all one family, and make a documentary claiming it’s the family of Jesus, plus the remains of his son (the grandson of G_d?)

Bones of Jesus

The Jesus Family Tomb

y-Net News on the claims

Official Webpage… just a placekeeper for now

Now the find itself is over 27 years old, but when it was first exposed there was no decent forensic techniques for testing for familial relationship between bones. Now with DNA testing that’s straight-forward and someone has confirmed what could’ve been guessed from the start – the individuals are related. But how seriously can we take the main claim – that it’s the family tomb of Jesus? Imagine the problems this will cause for all those atheists who believe JC was just a myth and never existed. “Wrong! We have his bones… damn!”

Clearly it’s a problem for people who believe in a flesh-and-blood resurrection. But not every Xian does. The parent group of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is still in existence and they don’t believe he rose physically. Plenty of liberal Xians believe he rotted in some grave… but who cares what they believe anyway? The Jews might be happy with the outcome, but then again who wants to tell the Xians the bad news? On one of the News Magazines on Aussie TV this week there’s a report from Zanzibar about how thousands of Xians are converting to Judaism (!!!) This finding might only tip the balance for even more teetering believers, who’ll dump a failed Messiah for hope in a more triumphant one.

Yet, as others have already noted, the names were pretty common in Judea at that time, so the odds are that plenty of tombs had a similar bunch of names on the boxes.

Michael Prescott’s blog on the find

…that last blog-site also discusses a new book which looks at the Gospels as eye-witness material. There’s some evidence in favour of the idea, at least for “Mark” and “John”, but it by no means proves the Gospels were 100% inerrant either. Stylistic reasons influenced ancient writers as much as wanting to report facts, thus all the thinly veiled allusions to Old Testament parallels in the Gospels. Another issue is that the Gospellers were trying to fit JC into OT prophecies – with varying degrees of success. What didn’t fit probably got left out. The whole of the Passion Narrative can be related to Old Testament prophecies which has led more than one scholar to state the obvious – the whole sequence was written as if the prophecies were fulfilled. In reality JC might’ve been executed like any other anonymous agitator – but he was important enough to rate a mention by Josephus, so who knows? Maybe he did chat to Pontius Pilate – but try getting the Gospels to agree about the details.

Anyway food for thought.

3 thoughts on “Tomb of Jesus… maybe?

  1. Genetics Proves That Jesus Was …
    Hugh Fogelman & John Stone

    Human development begins when a male gamete (sperm) penetrates a female gamete (ovum) — and becomes a zygote.

    Let’s back up 1,900 years — give or take — and provide the necessary historical background for the newly invented religion of Christianity.

    When the New Testament was being invented, those responsible had no idea of conception and the roles played by genetics and inheritance. They were conceiving a story to be taught to the ignorant masses. No one outside of the early church proper was permitted to read a Christian bible. These bibles were hand written, and accordingly, were relatively rare. The church instructed these sheeple what they were to believe. Little did the inventors of Christianity ever dream of the “Chromosome Theory of Inheritance and Sex Linkage.” A short history follows for your benefit:

    1. Sutton and Boveri’s chromosome theory of inheritance was proposed in 1902—Genes are located on chromosomes

    2. Just previous to this (end of 19th century) biologists had discovered that half of all sperm cells carry a structure called an X body.

    3. In 1905 the X body were determined to be chromosomes—X chromosomes.

    4. Then the Y chromosome was also discovered in 1905.

    5.Together the X and Y chromosomes are known as the sex chromosomes.

    Now the cat was out of the bag, but your preachers paid no attention to God’s “Laws of Creation.” They kept on filling their pews with sheeple — your parents, you, your children.

    A human has 46 chromosomes arranged in 23 pairs. The 23rd chromosome determines sex of a new individual. A chromosome is just a long string of DNA that is wound into a tight bundle.

    Man and mammals have an XY chromosome system of sex determination. Birds use ZW, while turtles and alligators determine sex by the temperature of the embryo during a specific point in development.

    Therefore, the sex of a human (as with all mammals) is determined by X and Y chromosomes:

    * A female has two X chromosomes
    * A male has one X and one Y

    Thus the child Jesus — a product of virgin birth — would only have the DNA of his mother (Mary) which would be two X chromosomes. Since there was no male involved in the conception, there was no source to provide Jesus with the necessary Y chromosome to make her a “him.” Therefore, according to God’s laws of nature;

    In reality, Jesus was a woman.

    SOURCES:
    Genetics of Sex Determination, Harry Ostrer, M.D., NYU School of Medicine; Ken McElreavey, Ph.D., Pasteur Institute, et al

    http://jdstone.org/

  2. Nice to get a reply, but Jesus could have been an XX male (which does happen) facilitated by recombination in his ancestral line transferring male genes from the Y to the X chromosome (which also happens). So only in a very narrow sense was ‘he’ a ‘she’. Alternatively Mary could have been an XY female, and fertile too, which is equally rare, but not impossible.

    Or Matthew and Luke made the virginity claim up to silence all the talk about Jesus being ben Pantera – quite a few Jewish Legionnaries are known from the Roman Empire and many took the name “Pantera”. So Miriam might have got knocked up before her betrothal to Joseph, but Joseph accepted her on the basis of a vision?

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